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Private Journals...

I'm curious as to what people's thoughts are on private journals. Not so much the journal itself, people can choose whether they want to keep a private journal all by themselves. However, when someone with a private journal subscribes to your journal, what are your thoughts?

I feel like the whole community aspect of our journals is a quid pro quo thing and that totally disappears when you are unable to view their journal in return. When you have an open journal you don't have the choice of accepting or rejecting subscribers but when you have a private journal you do.

I'm in two minds whether to delete the person who's subscribed to me. I don't want to subscribe to their journal to see if I want to subscribe. I want to check out their journal and then decide for myself whether I want to subscribe to them. If I sub to them then decide that I don't want to follow them then I have to delete the subscription (which in past experience has caused offense) and just seems a strange. If I delete their sub to my journal, then I'm assuming that blocks them from ever re-subscribing. It doesn't seem to be a very excellent way of doing things.

I'm quite surprised there's no way of giving everyone an option to have a section of each journal entry private for personal notes. Then at least it wouldn't close down half of the site to the other half. I totally understand the reasoning behind having a private journal, I gave up in October because I felt too exposed so I get that people want the choice. I'm not suggesting it disappears altogether but the choice has been totally removed to decide whether we want to reciprocate a subscription because we have nothing to go on.

It just seems a bit one sided to me. Any thoughts?

LeeAnne

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I can't help but feel that it is a bit stalkerish. Keep your own things private, but add yourself to other people and keep an eye on them. If you join Blip to publish Photos, PUBLISH photos, don't sit in the dark and stalk other people. If you want to keep your journal private, stay in the dark.

dogwithnobrain 1 vote
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I ask to subscribe to theirs. If they don't let me, then I just delete them. Same as I do on any site that has private profiles.

Shandonner 2 votes
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I think that perhaps people who subscribe to other people when they keep their journals private, are inviting them to ask you to subscribe to them. Letting you in to their "private place", which, if you ask me IS A BIT DODGY. Remember that lunatic a couple of years ago, who did all the bondage and male humiliation stuff.

dogwithnobrain 1 vote
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Interesting... so if your journal is private, presumably the rules on what you can/can't post are null and void. If no-one can see it then presumably you can post whatever you like? How is a private journal moderated?

LeeAnne 1 vote
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No one, trees falling and all that. But why bother with a journal? You could just use your hard disk?

Shandonner 0 votes
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Haha... well you wouldn't but I'm always curious to know the answers to questions.

I just feel that there's little point in commenting or subscribing from a private journal. Presumably it's private because you don't want people viewing it. That makes sense to me.

Unless of course it's an elitist thing and you want to be able to choose who follows you etc. Maybe I'm looking at it from the wrong angle, keeping my journal private to my subscribers only perhaps makes sense but it seems to defeat the purpose of Blip.

LeeAnne 1 vote
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If it were me, I wouldn't bother deleting them, but I certainly wouldn't be that bothered about seeing their journal either.

You say "it wouldn't close down half of the site to the other half" but my impression is that it was a tiny - but very vociferous - minority who wanted private journals.

Now they have them, I'm more than happy to leave them in privacy.

Red 2 votes
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I'm not comfortable with it either. I can see the attraction of an area for private notes, but otherwise, if you want something to be private, don't publish it on Blipfoto. The point of Blipfoto is sharing. There were a few people I used to look in on occasionally, without subscribing, that I now can't. It fees nosy asking to subscribe to something that the person doesn't want to share. And if someone subscribes to me but I can't see anything in their journal, it feels a bit stalkerish.

Agree that it seemed to be a small minority that wanted private journals, although I think now a fair few people who didn't ask for it have chosen that option. I was surprised BlipCentral acceded to this at launch of the new site, given all the useful features used by everyone (such as choosing thumbnails or being able to see a whole photo on the screen) that they didn't manage to complete in time for launch. Anyway, I don't think it's going to be undone now.

Veronica 1 vote
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I can see that people might set up private journals for various reasons. For example, they want to share family snaps with a small circle.

But it does feel stalkerish when someone starts following, but on their account it's "shields up". Are we supposed to blindly submit follow requests at that point, without being able to see what might be in their journal?

In my case, there would be a random period before I notice, as I've turned off follower notifications. I've always been happy for people to follow/unfollow as they please, no skin off my nose...

And It does seem odd that this feature's development was prioritised over things like, oh, I don't know, being able to see the whole picture on screen without scrolling, like in the olden days :)

owl 0 votes
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You're right, LeeAnne, it is one-sided, and one of the many reasons I don't like private journals having been allowed. Blip's openness was one its strongest points, in my opinion. Everyone could see everything. I don't post photos of my kids here, or personal information I'm not happy for everyone in the world to read. I have a private blog for that (free and very easy to set up) that is only accessible by a few folk I've given the password to.

For me, and I know a lot of others, blip is a community thing. It's feeling increasingly hard to keep that view. I don't know how we can get around this. I had a series of comments from someone with a private journal and couldn't even do what I normally want to do which is wander over and look at the journal of this friendly chatty person. So, I'm just ignoring private journals (unless I'm already unknowingly subscribed to one). Not very community-minded of me, is it?

SooB 2 votes
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To me the whole point of Blip is a community (although I feel much of that has been eroded) who post images for others to see. If you don't want to show others you photos blip isn't as far as I am concerned the place for you. I certainly wouldn't expect somebody to subscribe to me if they had a private journal. That is selfish. "I want to see your photos but I am not letting you see mine!" attitude.

Jerra 1 vote
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I just don't see the point of joining and then being private, why bother to publish your pictures at all. What I find slightly objectionable is that some private members are entering comments on the blips of non private members.

tedwin 1 vote
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Personally I think it's a bit sad as well that there are now private journals but as someone said it was a small and vocal minority that demanded them. Every community has curtain twitchers and sadly blip is now no different.

To your question, I don't think I'd delete any subscibers with private journals as I don't care who see what I post and I hate the idea of dumping people that might want to see my shots and post, thems were the T&C's when I signed up but I certainly wouldn't engage with them, if they want to peer from behind the curtains, then on you go, don't expect me to request to be part of your private world.

andmoff 0 votes
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I would have preferred if all Blips were viewable with comments on / off as some folk liked as before and if someone wished a private written journal then could that be a secondary text box below Comments of Blip for only their viewing (not a select group) as one of the extras?

As you say LeeAnne it's nice to look thru a journal to get a feel for their style and creativeness. Sometimes I'll write on a Blip I like just passing thru. I've not sub-followed for a while as I very rarely comment but like to look, * if I feel and a few <3. And if when I do comment a reply doesn't take me back to original comment, which is okay if there is only a view comments to search thru.

WeeDragon 0 votes
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Good suggestion Wee Dragon. It would allow private dialogue but still keep within the ethic of publishing an image.

Jerra 0 votes
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Hey Wee Dragon

I know it's only part of what you're talking about, but the "comments on/comments off" feature is still available, if you look in Settings/Journal entries.

Red 0 votes
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Thing is, you used to be able to turn comments off for specific blips. Now if you turn off your comments, it doesn't just switch them off for the blip you're posting, but for every previous blip. The previous system was way more sophisticated in all of it's features compared to now. Usually when you upgrade something, it's better than the previous version, or I thought that was the general idea. This is just different.

I was ruthless with the private journals... I deleted the subscriptions along with a pile more of those who either don't blip or haven't done so for quite some time. It's a shame that they can't resubscribe if they are actually logging in and want to see my stuff but now that there's no alphabetical listing of your subscribers, it's hard to keep up and if I'm honest, I quite like to know who's looking.

A little section on each blip with the option of keeping that private for personal notes would have been brilliant. I'm pretty sure more people would use that if the option was there, simply because it's simple and not everyone wants/needs to know every detail of your life but sometimes it's handy for the brain sieves to remember stuff.

I'd also quite like it if these forum threads flowed in the order of posting cause some of my replies in here make no sense whatsoever. Haha!

LeeAnne 0 votes
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@Red... yeah it was always nice that if someone turned off their comments on a bad news day or something then you could drop them a wee note elsewhere on their journal to let them know you were thinking of them. Now when comments are disabled, they really are disabled.

There's generally a good reason for switching comments off on a specific blip but when you decide to switch them on again, that blip then becomes available for comment which to me defeats the purpose of switching them off in the first place.

LeeAnne 1 vote
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My thoughts exactly, LeeAnne. I've only ever turned comments off on a handful of blips, but that's how I wanted those entries to stay.

Red 1 vote
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@ Red & LeeAnne
The comments on/off I've seen a few times for those backblipping years, or those that are on holiday or unwell and need 'space'. Sometimes I've not realised it had been switched off and on later and accidentally commented. I, myself just leave the comments open, but would prefer to see commenter's Blips, that's how I started subbing folk was someone passing by mine.

WeeDragon 0 votes
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Hear Hear LeeAnne!

However, I would be curious to hear from private journal users as to why they think it's ok to subscribe and/or comment on non-private journals. Just to get both sides of the argument.

blast 1 vote
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@ blast... I'd like to know that too.

I started a second journal, made private at the beginning of the year because I thought that would be a way of feeling less exposed. I have no subscribers, I have subscribed to no-one, the comments are switched off and I do not comment from it. It's private. Or so I thought. Imagine my surprise when I received an email to say that I had received a comment on one of my entries. I quickly logged in to find that I had subscribed to a journal magically and there was a welcome note from BC in the turned off comments. I appreciate that's most likely automated but it didn't fill me with any confidence that it was in fact private so I stopped using it.

Apart from anything else, I don't have the oomph to keep two journals going, some days it's hard enough to find the mojo for one.

That's just my take on the private side of it... I'd be intrigued to hear someone else's view on the reasoning behind the commenting/not commenting from a private journal. It's all about choice I guess and that's totally fine, but I feel like I'd be intruding by asking to be allowed to view a private journal so I don't ask.

LeeAnne 1 vote
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What a difference a month makes. After the recent Big Moment shambles... I'm going to opt to make my journal private.

However, before I do that, I'd quite like clarification from Blip as to whether the content of private journals will still be shared by them. Maybe it's worth a new thread rather than adding to this one though...

Does anyone know?

LeeAnne 1 vote
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LeeAnne I have no idea about private journals but given the terms and conditions you agree to when using Blip I would suspect yes. Also I assume it would rule you out of such things of Lovers of Light and POTW, as nobody/very few can see the photo to vote etc.

I still can't get my head round a situation where somebody joins a community where the ethos is publish a photo of your day but then doesn't want to publish them. They might as well keep them on their own hard drive.

Jerra 0 votes
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@ Jerra

You assume incorrectly. This is the response from Blip Support:

"If a user has their Journal protected then we would not share their images. Indeed, even if a link was posted (which we wouldn't do) to Facebook, twitter etc, then the image would not show up due to the protected account settings."

I can't get my head round how the ethos of a community has changed beyond recognition in the space of two months. Go figure.

What do you think happens if we breach the terms and conditions?

And what do you think if the terms and conditions are breached by those who wrote them?

I'd guess two very different things but I might get kicked out for being a troll so I'll leave you to work it out.

LeeAnne 1 vote
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I knew from the start that the private journal feature was a slippery slope towards destroying the Blip ethos of public sharing. Wouldn't it be nice if there was a setting where you could make some entries private and some not? Or allow comments on some entries but not others, as you used to be able to do. But that's all too subtle for the new clunky blip.

Veronica 1 vote